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#46164
I just acquired a Rival and set it up for USPSA Carry Optics.

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I tried my Glock 17 gen 3 and gen 5 MOS but their ergonomics are just lousy and I can't hit the reloads. So, after handling but not shooting a Rival and an SFX, I traded a couple other Glocks for this Canik. Out of the box, the trigger is better than the Timney equipped Glocks. With a FreedomSmith trigger and springs, it's amazing.

I just finished putting it together today and I'm waiting on the weather to zero the dot and get used to it. I'm also waiting for my holster and hanger but I can probably use the included holster.

I got lucky and scored four more magazines.

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#46166
Good start. What are you using for a belt, holster and mag holders?

If you are shooting CO Division I highly recommend getting mag extensions to up the round count to 22 per mag. Taylor Freelance makes a popular extension for Canik that comes with longer mag springs.
#46168
colonel00 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:57 am Looks good. What optic is that? Maybe it's just the shape of the sight but it sure looks like it's sitting way up high.
FTP Alpha 3 on the included 06 plate. Such is the nature of plates. Maybe some day the competing footprints will shuffle themselves down to a couple and manufacturers will produce slides with specific footprints for lower sight heights.
#46169
LT USN (Ret.) wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:42 am Good start.
Start? What else is there to do to it?
What are you using for a belt, holster and mag holders?
I'm working on it.
If you are shooting CO Division I highly recommend getting mag extensions to up the round count to 22 per mag. Taylor Freelance makes a popular extension for Canik that comes with longer mag springs.
That's a TF extension on the mag in the gun pictured. It did not include any spring.
#46173
FWIW, I've had great luck doing an initial sighting with a 9mmP laser ctg to line up the dot. Usually set up about 15 yards or so, and put the sight dot just above the laser dot, like a figure eight. Has always put me quite close to a correct sight in that's easy to do the final adjustments at the range. Just my experience...
#46174
colonel00 wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:57 am Looks good. What optic is that? Maybe it's just the shape of the sight but it sure looks like it's sitting way up high.
I think it just has a thicker base than some others. At least, it looks thicker than my Holosuns.
#46175
LT USN (Ret.) wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:42 am Good start. What are you using for a belt, holster and mag holders?

If you are shooting CO Division I highly recommend getting mag extensions to up the round count to 22 per mag. Taylor Freelance makes a popular extension for Canik that comes with longer mag springs.
My TF +4 base pads did not come with springs.

I did buy extra power mag springs with the first 5 that I ordered, and am using them. But, the last 2 I got, I am using with the factory springs that came in the 18 round mags that came with my Rival. They seem to work fine.
#46176
2strokeYardSale wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:19 am Start? What else is there to do to it?
You did not mention a tungsten guide rod and lighter recoil spring. So, those things....

I can see the TF back strap, as well as the mag base pad.

I have already done the trigger return spring, safety plunger spring, and recoil spring. But, I think there's more trigger improvement to be had with a lighter strike spring, so I have some of those on order to go in mine.

And then, if you really want to max out CO mods, you could get a light (like a TLR1/4/9/whatever), and a tungsten battery pack for it. If you do that, you'll probably want to get a holster from Red Hills Tactical that will accommodate the Rival with whatever light you select.
#46177
Ben W. wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 12:29 pm FWIW, I've had great luck doing an initial sighting with a 9mmP laser ctg to line up the dot. Usually set up about 15 yards or so, and put the sight dot just above the laser dot, like a figure eight. Has always put me quite close to a correct sight in that's easy to do the final adjustments at the range. Just my experience...
I put my new dot on my new Rival and went to the range. Fired one round at 10 yards and saw where it hit. Adjusted the dot accordingly. Shot 3 more rounds that were all overlapping, in the bull.

It's not that hard or time-consuming. If you do it at 10 yards, it makes the adjustments really easy. 1 MOA click is 1/10 of an inch at 10 yards. My first shot was something like 1/2 an inch high and 3/4 to the right. So, 5 clicks Down on the elevation and 7 clicks Left on the windage and it was dang close to spot on.
#46178
StuartV wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:06 pm
2strokeYardSale wrote: Thu Apr 14, 2022 9:19 am Start? What else is there to do to it?
You did not mention a tungsten guide rod and lighter recoil spring. So, those things....

I can see the TF back strap, as well as the mag base pad.

I have already done the trigger return spring, safety plunger spring, and recoil spring. But, I think there's more trigger improvement to be had with a lighter strike spring, so I have some of those on order to go in mine.

And then, if you really want to max out CO mods, you could get a light (like a TLR1/4/9/whatever), and a tungsten battery pack for it. If you do that, you'll probably want to get a holster from Red Hills Tactical that will accommodate the Rival with whatever light you select.
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A light is not going to happen unless this thing proves unshootable and flippy.

I just set up the included holster on a Blade-Tech DOH hanger and a Tek-Lok. The holster is unusable other than as a carrier at the range. So I'll wait for my Smoky Mtn holster for real draw practice and competition.
#46199


I sighted it in, chronographed some known loads, and did some testing. It needs a little more grip than I initially gave it, which is why I was kind of wild with the first couple magazines.

Everything chronos about 5 power factor more than my Glock 17s. I need to develop new match and practice loads.

I had one malfunction, a feed jam with a RMR 147 FMJ flat point. I load them kind of long for flat points and this particular bullet did not plunk in and out of the barrel easily like other bullets of the same weight and shape. I expected them to stick in the rifling, but that didn't happen, just this one misfeed.

This is my coated bullet practice load at 20 yards:
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#46205
But why? Is it a money thing?
Expense and availability.

Sport Pistol is less expensive than N320, which is often unavailable.

Coated bullets are less expensive than jacketed bullets. It feels wasteful to throw FMJ downrange through a gun that doesn't need them.


Speaking of bullets, I tried all of these through my Rival yesterday:

Hornady XTP 90gr JHP
Blue Bullets 125gr conical
Precision 125gr conical
Brass Monkey 127gr conical
Precision Delta 147gr FMJRN
Precision Delta 147gr FMJFP
Rocky Mountain 147gr FMJFP
Brass Monkey 150gr flat point

With the 29 newton firing pin spring, it didn't want to light off Wolf Small Rifle 223 primers, but few other pistols do.
#46208
2strokeYardSale wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:47 pm Coated bullet with Sport Pistol
Jacketed bullet with N320
I'm running Ibejihead 145gr coated bullets with 3.4gr of Sport Pistol at approximately 130-132 PF.

I like the added PF fudge-factor so when I do shoot a match with a chrono stage there is never an issue.
#46224
2strokeYardSale wrote: Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:25 am With the 29 newton firing pin spring, it didn't want to light off Wolf Small Rifle 223 primers, but few other pistols do.
29 newtons is 6.5#.

I have a 5.5# striker spring coming. Now I'm wondering if I should have ordered a 6.5# also.

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