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#43775
I’ve been curious how others gather their daily pocket fillers and belt thingy’s. Most curious about how you prepare your peice for the day. Backup piece? Extra mag? Pepper spray? Knife? Backup knife? Credit card multi tool? Backup credit card multi tool?(JK). Etc etc. also, do you carry one in the pipe? If no, could you please explain your reasoning. I just like to learn others methodology. One thing I’ve been doing with my striker trigger edc is full mag, one in that hole but I disable the striker and if it’s go time, I just have to recocock the striker…that’s what, half an inch rather then a full rack…I haven’t noticed anyone else doing that, just from what I’ve been exposed to. Do any of you do that? Do you know of anyone that does this and what’s your take on it? Good or bad, spill the beans
#43776
My "daily carry" ensemble is pretty rag-tag right now, an LCP Custom in a Masters suede pocket holster, full of Hornady somethingerathers... One in the pipe and with a Magguts follower system, 7 more behind it. Wallet, keys, folding knife, and that's pretty much it. I chamber check it and wipe it down every couple days.
#43782
If you carry for self defense then you do *not* want to disable the gun. If you need a half inch of racking to re-enable then you are assuming that you will be calm when you need to pull and maybe fire your handgun. Might as well just leave the chamber empty, which I would not advise you do.

Why require two hands in a moment when that second hand might be very busy pushing somebody away from you?

You should google "the 21 foot rule". Which assumes one in the pipe.
#43790
Not saying this to be degrading, so please don’t take it that way. Any carry gun should have a chambered round and should be ready to fire, with the exception of disengaging a (thumb) safety where applicable. I wouldn’t worry about 10 gadgets either. Carry a gun, with a round chambered, in a good holster, and a good knife. Practice and get proficient. Dryfire at home and practice draws, reloads, trigger press, transitioning the gun between targets and practice actually shooting and recoil control at the range
#43791
wombatz wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:23 am If you carry for self defense then you do *not* want to disable the gun. If you need a half inch of racking to re-enable then you are assuming that you will be calm when you need to pull and maybe fire your handgun. Might as well just leave the chamber empty, which I would not advise you do.

Why require two hands in a moment when that second hand might be very busy pushing somebody away from you?

You should google "the 21 foot rule". Which assumes one in the pipe.
You sir, are absolutely correct regarding your opening statement. You can’t argue logic and facts. But inexperience can argue against it. I’m used to carrying a Sig P250 dao. It’s got like a 43lb trigger pull and you could easily make three full length phone calls in the time it takes for travel. I like that. I like stupid heavy triggers. Im 1.25yrs green regarding firearms. In fact I own 3pistols. I qualified for my states CCW last July but haven’t had the spare time to take any instructional classes to help slap the noob out of me. I do not know anyone locally that’s into firearms atm. So exposure lyes solely on me and im not makin a whole lotta moves in that department. So , until I can bit*% slap the green out of me by either taking classes and/or joining some type of local gun club, i totally feel like I should hang out in the bubble that’s most comfortable for my skill level. I mean, I kinda feel like if I don’t try new daily carries and stuff like that, I won’t learn some new things

Also, I do try and experiment with new drills such as alternative slide racking maneuvers in the event i misplace an arm. There IS a round chambered, but with a trigger that’s waaaay lighter then I’m used to, I currently feel more comfortable atm disabling the striker until I can gain some experience with this daily carry package. I don’t mind constructive criticism at all. Everyone has been most respectful and considerate thus far and I think that’s awesome. I am looking for a heavier trigger spring for the tp9/e/sc. no luck this far. This Ganik pistol has the lightest trigger I have ever felt in my life. Inexperience can still equal negligence
#43802
Sounds like you are doing fine. Keep training. Keep asking questions.

You might want to try some draw and fire training without a life round. First you draw and "fire", just to get clear on what happens. Next you draw faster and faster *without* firing. The test here is to make sure you never pull that trigger during the draw.

When people do that sort of training with live ammo you end up with youtube video of somebody shooting themselves in the leg. The Canik has the cocked striker indicator so it is easy to confirm that you did not pull that trigger during the draw. Push yourself to get crazy fast at that without fake shooting yourself. That might help boost the confidence.

Oh, and you really do need a good holster with a gun like this. I tend to think it *must* be kydex.

And *another* training suggestion. Don't discount the value of a 22LR since you can train much more for much less money. Back "in the day" I would go thru a full 500 round brick of 22 in one session every now and then.
#43806
Duly noted! A double dose of thanks! I squeeze in as many reps as I can per day, some days more then others . In fact, just a handful of days ago, I was in the men’s restroom at work, as I was washing my hands I started playing out a self defense scenario(quietly might I add) in slow-motion and as I started drawing from strong-side, a coworker walked in , he froze and chuckled ,I froze and fake chuckled, he gave a shout like “ohp, dudes battling bad guys in the bathroom again fellas!”. I kinda mozy on out the restroom nonchalant like.
#43807
Interesting topic - empty chamber/reset striker:
Had a student in Defensive Pistol 1 Class (1st level, where we train proper /safe draw stroke, proper/safe re-holster, and add in some simple shooting drills) "boasting" to other students before class began how quickly he could pull the slide to chamber a round, because he didn't think it necessary to carry full ready.
When I got into the draw stroke demonstration, I explained that we need to be fully aware that if ambushed, or accosted at very close distance, you may need to draw and shoot from the "rock-out" (strong side hip'ish) position while fending off the attack with your non-shooting hand up high on the head of the attacker. I looked him straight in the eye and politely asked, "And where did I have a chance to get my support hand on the gun to chamber my round?" He became the most attentive student for the rest of class. :-D
Even tactical racking with a proper rear site takes some dedicated reps to get good at it.
With the need to get that first shot off in as close to one second as possible, under is best, not a lot of time for extra chores and failure points.
Same reason I have no use for a manual safety on my EDC's. I want LESS to do, not more, If I should have to draw on a threat.
You will potentially perform at half or less of your highest level of training under these real life situations. Diligent, dedicated training certainly raises that bar.......but, don't ever kid yourself! ;-)

Neil 8-)
#43824
Your stance on the matter is sound sir! Coupled with logic and facts that don’t lie. I completely understand and quite agree with your insight. I guess I’m trying to find a good “middle ground” in regards to skill set/comfortability and realistic preparedness. I guess I’m starting to realize you really can’t have both. In order to be fully prepared, you must /should meet certain requirements per say. I also realize that if you don’t carry “go time” ready, then carrying at all is potentially pointless. Not totally but possibly. All depends on those precious seconds and your preparedness. I really need to make time to attend classes because I’m not really learning a whole lot watching vids on the internet in comparison to what a real classes would teach me. Yea, I learn some things online but I learn best when actually doing a real drill, not just watching it. Maybe I should go back to carrying my P250 until I can get more comfortable with a lighter trigger. I of course have no problem carrying that chambered
#43833
Not beat a dead horse, but tread lightly on POOHTUBE. Align yourself with industry experts when learning online (or NRA, USCCA to name two), not self proclaimed experts.
There is a lot more crap than sound training cluttering up the web from what I have seen.
Quite often we have to "untrain", then retrain properly students who got their online training from "Bert's Basement Shooting Tips".

Neil 8-)
#43835
Roger that. Similar to the self proclaimed “masters” of Bullshido martial arts. Some dude with SOME actual training of a real martial arts comes up with his own thing and sells it as real self defense and you can learn everything from a 3disc dvd set. And pretty soon some poor dude gets wrecked trying to save the day because he thought his training from that dvd set was all he needed because thats what he was told. Untested, unproven methods can get you in a lot of trouble.
#43838
ForgotToWipe wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 2:10 am I’ve been curious how others gather their daily pocket fillers and belt thingy’s. Most curious about how you prepare your peice for the day. Backup piece? Extra mag? Pepper spray? Knife? Backup knife? Credit card multi tool? Backup credit card multi tool?(JK). Etc etc. also, do you carry one in the pipe? If no, could you please explain your reasoning. I just like to learn others methodology. One thing I’ve been doing with my striker trigger edc is full mag, one in that hole but I disable the striker and if it’s go time, I just have to recocock the striker…that’s what, half an inch rather then a full rack…I haven’t noticed anyone else doing that, just from what I’ve been exposed to. Do any of you do that? Do you know of anyone that does this and what’s your take on it? Good or bad, spill the beans
my daily carry is always "prepped"

one in the chamber, 15 in the magazine, of Federal Hollow points.

monthly, i field strip, clean and lube. this keeps the lint and other debris at bay.

once every couple of months, it gets some FMJ's run thru it, then cleaned and lubed again.
#43886
Daily prep? I pick it up and stick it on my belt or in my pocket depending which I'm going to carry, otherwise they're always ready to go with one in the pipe and spare mag near by. If it was a particularly hot and sweaty day I'll wipe it down at the end of the day otherwise usually wipe down once a week or so and run micro fiber over red dot glass. Change light batteries every 6 months. red dot yearly.
#43921
My fault guys on bad form/word play. The context in which I referenced “prep” was more along the lines of the day to day inventory check and a** covering. Not so much as walking into your super spy bunker and shopping around with a glistening smile. But that would be so cool. I guess the word “prep” can be used to describe a scenario starting at 0 and ending up “show ready”
#43927
Check out Active Self Protection on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsE_m2 ... ImeNWh84mw

You can take or leave the advice, but watching the situations might teach you that in many/most of them, there is rarely time to go through a finely tuned battery prep process.

A thumb safety is about as much time as you will ever get. I have no problem with folks deciding to use a thumb safety or not, whichever you are heavily trained on and works for you.

Heavy trigger pulls are typically much less accurate than lighter pulls. Again, if trained and comfortable with a heavy trigger pull, no problem, but the vast majority of people do not consider that a safety feature.

(On another subject, it is very interesting how many people accidentally drop their mag during a gunfight. You can't blame them if you haven't been shot at, but it is interesting.)
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