Long range shooting.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:29 pm

I was thinking more like: https://www.sinclairintl.com/shooting-r ... ERNATIONAL

But when poking around the Sinclair rest page, they have a model just for LH: https://www.sinclairintl.com/shooting-r ... ERNATIONAL

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:06 pm

I was on that page yesterday and said good Lord! Looking at your link it’s definitely a go at some point.

Question.

Would you really need the windage adjustment? I would think you could use the scope for that.

It’s not much more in cost so might be worth doing. (Edit)
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:21 pm

Footnote.

I do like the fact that the Sinclair is a lot heavier than the Protektor.

Thanks again for the link.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Tue Jan 01, 2019 8:11 am

runeight wrote:
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Would you really need the windage adjustment? I would think you could use the scope for that.
You will typically use the elevation turret to sight in on the known distances on the F class range. This is just ballistics and is easily calculable. If there is a tailwind or headwind, it doesn't affect the flight path much (think about it, 10mph is 15 fps, which is around the error of your match load for say a 2700 fps 6.5 CM at the muzzle). However, a 10 mph side wind can throw your round off by 2 feet at 600 yds (or 5 feet at a 1000 yds).

But the wind is rarely constant, so judging the wind is the real art to long range shooting. Typically, F class shooters don't touch the windage turret, but use the rest adjustment (or just hold left or right if using a bipod if shooting F T/R) and the stadia lines to hold off for the wind. Since your offhand is free, it is much easier and causes less movement to reach out and adjust the rest vs reaching back and adjusting the windage turret. Also, you don't have to keep track of how many clicks back and forth that you moved the turret in a changing wind.

For iron peep sights, this isn't possible (or nearly as accurate), so they tend to set their windage adjustment instead of holding left or right.

There are different styles of shooting, Tubbs prefers to get on the center and then shoot as rapidly as accurately possible without changing anything hoping to get his shots in before the wind changes. The downside is that the hotter barrel causes more mirage. Others prefer to read the wind and adjust on each shot and use the entire 20 minutes for their 20 shots.

Assuming that you are still shooting left shouldered with your RH action, the LH rest might be very helpful.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Tue Jan 08, 2019 6:37 pm

The scope finally arrived, Warne steel rings a few days ago. The mounts are on backorder for three or more weeks so everything is on hold.

Rifle arrived last week at my LGS but I have yet to transfer. I’ll leave it there until everything arrives and assemble down the road at the Shop.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:13 am

Warne just released a new mount specific to the Bergara Premier line, picatinney style. They offer short or long action and either 0 moa or 20 moa styles. I canceled the backordered two piece mounts, new mount ships today. I went with 0 moa style.

The Aadmount scope caps are also shipped and I ordered 100 rounds of Hornady Match ELD 140 Grain Brass 6.5 Creedmoor. Only things left for down the road is a Sinclair shooting rest and some shooting bags. Need to sell a few more things first.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 am

Sounds like everything is coming together nicely
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:20 am

Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:18 am
Sounds like everything is coming together nicely
Yes, just takes money. Lots of it.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:25 am

Very true
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:09 am

The Tango4 has 16 MIL's of total elevation, which with a 0MOA mount means that you have 8MIL adjustment to work with. With the 6.5 CM, that might limit you to just under 1,000 yds with a 200yd zero (assuming no holdover). If you go with the 20MOA (5.5MIL) mount, that would add up to 13.5MIL and get you out to about 1,300yds.

But getting proficient at long range takes time, and it is a reasonably inexpensive upgrade to switch to the 20MOA mount later.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:17 am

I thought it had more than that on the model I bought. I’m waiting on another credit and will order the 20 moa for in the future. You are correct, it will take some time as I’m going to use the 308 this year.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Sun Jan 13, 2019 7:36 am

ncjw..

So, if you were doing this would you just go with the 20moa Mount? Easy enough to order and return the 0 moa Mount.

Our range currently goes to 600 yards with plans to extend. Might not ever happen but was told in the works. Don’t foresee shooting past 600 yards anytime soon.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:37 am

Id get the 20 if you can. Be better in the long run. I have 20moa bases on both my 308s
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:43 am

Ghostwolf308 wrote:
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Id get the 20 if you can. Be better in the long run. I have 20moa bases on both my 308s
Makes sense, avoids two mounts.

0moa is coming this week for the short action. I’ll check fitment first then return and order the 20moa.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:05 am

I don't see a downside to a 20MOA mount. I have one on my Rem700 PSS and have only ever shot 600 yds max and my 20x scope has 36 MIL's of elevation, so I shouldn't need it, but in the future, who knows?

As above, they aren't the most expensive upgrade and if not shooting past 600 yds for a while (which is challenging enough), you can always upgrade later.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:41 am

Any of you guys ever shot this?

Hornady 6.5 CREEDMOOR 140 GR. BTHP American Gunner.

Found it for around .82 cents a round with shipping.
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