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Post by John Snow » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:36 am

Anyone have an AR47 and care to share their experience with it? I've looked at them once in awhile on PSA's website but not sure if I want to go that route or not. I'd prefer an AR style over the AK, but I wonder if there's issues. I've read good and bad reviews online, but I'm wondering if any members here have an opinion on them. I have no real reason not to like a traditional AK, other than I just like the looks of an AR better. My main reason for buying one would be the cheaper cost of ammo. I have a 308 bolt rifle and thought about an AR10, but I just don't think I would shoot it that much. I think an AR47 would get more time at the range due to the cheaper cost of ammo.
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Post by runeight » Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:45 am

Hmmmm, not familiar with an AR47 but I do know an AK always works. I’ll have to read up on the AR.

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Post by ncjw » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:43 am

I've never seen the point of AK47's (or AR47's) from a cost perspective. If you want a cheap AR15 to shoot cheap steel cased 5.56, they are easy to find. A case of steel 7.62x39 is about the same as a case of steel 5.56, so I don't see the cost savings. There are always exceptions, but AR15's almost always outperform AK/AR47's in accuracy. The AK/AR47 might be slightly more reliable for every round going bang, but for range use, who cares? And the cheap bi-metal bullets will tear up the barrel in a few thousand rounds anyway (the math works, save $100/1,000 for cheap steel and replace the $100 barrel every 3-4,000 rounds, but it is a pain in the butt).

If you really need 100% reliability in a self defense situation, you should spend more on the rifle, ammo and maintenance anyway.

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Re: AR 47

Post by Tejas Products » Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:50 am

I purchased a 7.62x39 upper about 4 months back. I only have probably 100 rounds through it, but it's been flawless. With a rest and somewhat shaky hands I've been able to keep a 1 - 2 inch group out to 75 yards. Of course it kicks a little more than the .223 round but not to much more.

The reason I went to the 7.62 round is because my range doesn't allow steel cased ammo except for the 7.62 (crazy I know), also my two boys both have AK-47's so it just made sense to me to go ahead and convert over. Cheaper to just purchase one caliber in bulk and in steel....

Side Note: I just grabbed a new lower last night from PSA, they had it on sale for $99.00... Now I have a full AR47 and a full AR15. Which honestly I will probably sell, I also have a .22lr conversion kit for the .223 upper which I will add to the sale...
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Post by TL1000RSquid » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:32 am

chrome line barrel should help with longevity using steel cased ammo. I have AK's with 20k rounds through them and barrel isn't shot out.
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Re: AR 47

Post by runeight » Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:52 am

The reason I kept my AK is twofold.

1, I have around 3000 rounds of the old ammunition. (90’s purchase)

2, Mine is the Norinco MAC 90 model I bought new in the 90’s. (Cheap in the day) I have installed the stock lumber and gave the stock in the picture away.

Bet I haven’t shot more than 50 rounds thru it. More sentimental than anything else.
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Re: AR 47

Post by ncjw » Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:07 am

runeight wrote:
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More sentimental than anything else.
Yep, I have a Vietnam vet buddy that has one for "sentimental reasons". On three week ops in the jungle, he said that he ditched his M16 as soon as he could and picked up an AK. I asked him whether that was because he thought that the AK was better and he said, "No, but ammo is heavy and it was better to have Charlie carry it."
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Post by Weapon » Wed Nov 21, 2018 4:25 am

runeight wrote:
Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:52 am
The reason I kept my AK is twofold.

1, I have around 3000 rounds of the old ammunition. (90’s purchase)

2, Mine is the Norinco MAC 90 model I bought new in the 90’s. (Cheap in the day) I have installed the stock lumber and gave the stock in the picture away.

Bet I haven’t shot more than 50 rounds thru it. More sentimental than anything else.
I bought my MAK90 in the 90’s as well. It was dirt cheap compared to most ARs at the time and I already had a S. Korean DR200 in 5.56 (speaking of AK/AR/FAL hybrids...). The ammo was also dirt cheap at the time. I have shot mine quite a bit - not sure how many rounds are through it at this point but it has never failed to go bang even with age old milsurp steel case. Oddly enough, it is now worth more than many ARs - the prices for them on gunbroker are just crazy.

It’s too bad there is an import ban on S. Korean boomsticks. The K2 and DR200 (civilian version of the K2) are a lot of fun. They take AR mags and have a safety and mag release almost identical to an AR. They also have a gas tube, piston and recoil spring like an AK that mates with a bolt carrier that looks somewhat like a chopped down AR bolt carrier. Add to that an adjustable gas block that works like a FAL. They should have called it the FALARAK:

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Post by runeight » Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:51 am

Wish I would of bought more but who new?

Much better with the lumber on it.

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Post by Weapon » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:13 am

I have an old metal norinco 75 round windup drum somewhere...it probably still has 75 rounds in it.
I can’t put the wood back on mine because my ex pitched it at some point. 😠 As such, it is wearing a 922r compliant Dragunov style MAK stock. It’s ugly but it works.
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Re: AR 47

Post by runeight » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:21 am

Weapon wrote:
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I have an old metal norinco 75 round windup drum somewhere...it probably still has 75 rounds in it.
I can’t put the wood back on mine because my ex pitched it at some point. 😠 As such, it is wearing a 922r compliant Dragunov style MAK stock. It’s ugly but it works.
I still can’t locate my original lumber but if you frequent Gun Broker I found lumber for $75.00.

Interesting story. I did not have the long bolt that goes in the bottom of the stock. I was at the gun shop, a lady walks in with a box full of mismatched rifle parts her ex boyfriend left in the closet.

In the box was the long bolt! Timing “is” everything.

That Norinco drum you have is worth some bucks. I would unload it.
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Post by Weapon » Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:37 am

It isn’t wound up so no spring pressure and it saves me from having to find boxes for 75 rounds of ammo. :)
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Post by TL1000RSquid » Wed Nov 21, 2018 10:00 am

Norinco drum might be worth a bit north of $200, wind up romanians go for around $125-140 now.
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Post by Crosspower » Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am

I've never seen the point of AK47's (or AR47's) from a cost perspective. If you want a cheap AR15 to shoot cheap steel cased 5.56, they are easy to find. A case of steel 7.62x39 is about the same as a case of steel 5.56, so I don't see the cost savings. There are always exceptions, but AR15's almost always outperform AK/AR47's in accuracy. The AK/AR47 might be slightly more reliable for every round going bang, but for range use, who cares? And the cheap bi-metal bullets will tear up the barrel in a few thousand rounds anyway (the math works, save $100/1,000 for cheap steel and replace the $100 barrel every 3-4,000 rounds, but it is a pain in the butt).


If you wanted to hunt with a AR the 7.62x39 has a lot more potential. People use 5.56 for deer hunting, but it wouldn't be my 1st pick. The AR47 uppers were out of stock at PSA yesterday. I purchased a OD green AR upper and lower 5.56 for $349. That's a complete rifle except for rear sight and magazine. I've never owned a PSA AR. Lots of great reviews and I couldn't pass on it for the money.
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Post by TL1000RSquid » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:20 am

Crosspower wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am
I've never seen the point of AK47's (or AR47's) from a cost perspective. If you want a cheap AR15 to shoot cheap steel cased 5.56, they are easy to find. A case of steel 7.62x39 is about the same as a case of steel 5.56, so I don't see the cost savings. There are always exceptions, but AR15's almost always outperform AK/AR47's in accuracy. The AK/AR47 might be slightly more reliable for every round going bang, but for range use, who cares? And the cheap bi-metal bullets will tear up the barrel in a few thousand rounds anyway (the math works, save $100/1,000 for cheap steel and replace the $100 barrel every 3-4,000 rounds, but it is a pain in the butt).


If you wanted to hunt with a AR the 7.62x39 has a lot more potential. People use 5.56 for deer hunting, but it wouldn't be my 1st pick. The AR47 uppers were out of stock at PSA yesterday. I purchased a OD green AR upper and lower 5.56 for $349. That's a complete rifle except for rear sight and magazine. I've never owned a PSA AR. Lots of great reviews and I couldn't pass on it for the money.
Today yeah AR is more cost effective, Back when I got my first few AK's all were under or about $400 out the door including milled Arsenal SLR95 while at the time AR's were going for $800 and up. Still have the receipts for a few AK's $219+ tax for my SAR2 and $289 for my SAR1. When I decided to expand my AR collection to add a 2nd caliber .300BO was much more appealing to me then x39.

For hunting some states 5.56 fall below minimum size caliber allowed for deer, x39 works well on white tail, my Norinco SKS has taken about a dozen white tails.
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Re: AR 47

Post by Crosspower » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:03 pm

TL1000RSquid wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:20 am
Crosspower wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:07 am
I've never seen the point of AK47's (or AR47's) from a cost perspective. If you want a cheap AR15 to shoot cheap steel cased 5.56, they are easy to find. A case of steel 7.62x39 is about the same as a case of steel 5.56, so I don't see the cost savings. There are always exceptions, but AR15's almost always outperform AK/AR47's in accuracy. The AK/AR47 might be slightly more reliable for every round going bang, but for range use, who cares? And the cheap bi-metal bullets will tear up the barrel in a few thousand rounds anyway (the math works, save $100/1,000 for cheap steel and replace the $100 barrel every 3-4,000 rounds, but it is a pain in the butt).


If you wanted to hunt with a AR the 7.62x39 has a lot more potential. People use 5.56 for deer hunting, but it wouldn't be my 1st pick. The AR47 uppers were out of stock at PSA yesterday. I purchased a OD green AR upper and lower 5.56 for $349. That's a complete rifle except for rear sight and magazine. I've never owned a PSA AR. Lots of great reviews and I couldn't pass on it for the money.
Today yeah AR is more cost effective, Back when I got my first few AK's all were under or about $400 out the door including milled Arsenal SLR95 while at the time AR's were going for $800 and up. Still have the receipts for a few AK's $219+ tax for my SAR2 and $289 for my SAR1. When I decided to expand my AR collection to add a 2nd caliber .300BO was much more appealing to me then x39.

For hunting some states 5.56 fall below minimum size caliber allowed for deer, x39 works well on white tail, my Norinco SKS has taken about a dozen white tails.
I bought a Chinese SKS for $75 brand new 25-30 years ago. Those were a sweat deal
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Post by Weapon » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:43 am

Yeah - AKMs used to be dirt cheap and the ammo for them was even cheaper. You could walk in an LGS, grab an AK, mags and a decent bit of ammo and walk out having spent well under $500. ARs were a lot more expensive at that time. The rifle alone would cost more than the AK with extra mags and a bunch of ammo.

Another great rifle you could get for relatively cheap back then was the FAL. You could find those for $400-$425 in great shape. I had one and ended up selling it. Still kicking myself for that one.
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Post by Lgaam » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:40 am

I was able to buy an IBM M-1 carbine for $99 at the Woolworth sporting goods counter. Right around 1990. They didn't have a box, so they wrapped it in a couple of towels so I could walk out through the mall.

I was looking at an AK for a while and almost got a Norinco SKS before I found the carbine.

I've still got a place for a .30cal in the safe, though. 7.62x39 and .300BLK are both interesting. My thought at this point is to score an upper for either one and, based on it's utility (reliability, cost, ammo availability, etc), eventually build out a dedicated lower.
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