Long range shooting.

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Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:08 am

Does anyone here do any long range shooting 600 yards or less? I want to pursue this “feat”. We have a pretty nice shooting range that I’ve been wanting to join. Have the rifle, no clue from there but I am researching and reading my scope manual. :-? It’s a start.

If so we can move this thread or start a new one in the appropriate section. I could join a specific forum, just wanted to ask first.

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Post by TL1000RSquid » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:43 am

Usually only do beyond 400yds when I get to go over to friends property, he's got his private range setup to 800yds.

What rifle/calibers are you using? My main long range guns are NM M1A from Fulton, and Savage 30-06. Eventually I'll get a long range upper setup for the AR10, and when I get a decent reloading setup going I have a few other rifles capable of it but dont use often cause expensive quality ammo.
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Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:37 am

For starters a Browning X-bolt stalker in 308. Our range (for now) is setup for 600 yards.

Shopping for a rangefinder and a rear bag now. Want confused? Shop for a rangefinder.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by TL1000RSquid » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:19 am

I'm on my second spotting scope first one was a cheap barska 50mm, like $50 off the gun deals site. Now I have a $200 Celestron 22x66 100mm and I'm still not really satisfied with it good for 400yds, beyond that you need to be using hi viz targets shooting regular black target pretty hard to see any holes past 400.
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Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:46 am

Looking at the Nikons now. I want image stability, angle measurement and most importantly tripod mount. Problem is no Nikons have the threads for tripods.

Vortex does, mixed reviews. Sig? To expensive for my needs. Still shopping.

https://www.opticsplanet.com/nikon-blac ... inder.html
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:19 pm

We shoot out to 600 at our range. Wife and I both have Rem700 308's. I'm using a Sig Kilo 2000 range finder which works great but looks like they discontinued it.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:25 pm

Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:19 pm
We shoot out to 600 at our range. Wife and I both have Rem700 308's. I'm using a Sig Kilo 2000 range finder which works great but looks like they discontinued it.
Yes, I saw that it’s discontinued. Is the 2400 that replaced it?

Nikon has a lot of value for the money. I suppose I could get by without a tripod. (Sigh)

One less thing to haul to the range.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:21 pm

runeight wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:25 pm
Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:19 pm
We shoot out to 600 at our range. Wife and I both have Rem700 308's. I'm using a Sig Kilo 2000 range finder which works great but looks like they discontinued it.
Yes, I saw that it’s discontinued. Is the 2200 that replaced it?

Nikon has a lot of value for the money. I suppose I could get by without a tripod. (Sigh)

One less thing to haul to the range.
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Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:22 pm

Quality optics, good price.

Me thinks this might be the one given the extra features.

https://www.eurooptic.com/40536-Leica-L ... 40536.aspx
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Post by FrankW » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:43 pm

Hi runeight,

I think you have picked a good one. I have not use one but have a pair of Lica 10 x 40 binoculars and they are great. The rangefinder is probably made in Portugal.

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Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:50 pm

Tons of features. I know it’s quality stuff. Have to buy an adapter for tri pod. $98.00! Well, I can coupon that down on optics planet. :-D
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Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:00 pm

Done deal. Found the adapter at the same place for $88.00. Should do way more than what I need but at least I’ll have it.

Merry Christmas to me..merry Christmas to me..

Expensive even with discounts but I learned a long time ago that you get what you pay for. ;-)
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Post by ncjw » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:20 pm

I've shot a couple of NRA mid range matches (600 yds) with a Rem 700 PSS in .308. Great rifle out of the box. I used a fixed SSWA 20x scope back then, worked fine for $200. Mounts need to be of good quality as well, saw a few loose mounts lead to poor scores. I shot F T/R (hence the .308), but now would probably buy a 6.5 Creedmoor and go full F class, much easier. These newfangled stock systems look like they would be fun to try as well.

NRA matches are fun, lots of nice people, but budget 5-6 hours for 80 shots (plus sighters, bring 100 rds).

I still shoot steel to 550 yds, it is much more forgiving than target scoring, but obviously much quicker feedback and no target pulling in the pits. Perfectly fine with an AR10 in .308 or the Grendel. For some reason the Rem 700 loved 175gr GMM and the AR10 liked 168gr GMM. You don't need to reload with the match ammo available today unless you are shooting a lot (and have a LOT of time for case prep). Again, if doing it over now, I would get the AR10 in 6.5 CM. Or the Grendel, the Grendel is fine at these distances, but I am not sure if it isn't becoming a bit of an orphan. I don't shoot the AR10 much anymore.

You will find out that with a little practice, 300 yds gets a bit boring with a .223 (77gr), Grendel (123gr) or .308 (168gr). The physics of elevation are pretty reliable as far as getting rounds on target but the windage effect starts to really show at 400 yds and up.

If 600 yds gets boring, then you will be ready for 1,000 yds (or PRS, where its like playing Twister with a rifle, build a shooting position with one leg on red, one leg on green, a hand on yellow and an unknown range... Sorry, PRS shooters, I couldn't help myself. It looks like it might be fun, but to simulate a real modern sniper, you lay prone on a 100F roof for two days and then take one shot...)
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:37 pm

I agree with you. If our range ever extends to 1000 yards ( which is planned) then you bet, 6.5 Creedmore. Under 600 a 308 is just fine. Add to that I’m just getting started so several thousand dollars are yet to be spent. :lol:

I have also been looking at these Precision Rifles. Very few in LH but if I’m going to spend the money it will be left handed. Now, these fancy long range rifles are pricey. (As you know) I’ve narrowed it down to a Takkia ($1900) or go half the cost with the Savage. ($900) I have read where the Savage might need a new barrel after 4000 +/- rounds but he!!, don’t really know.

Probably will wait until next year or a super sale, which ever comes first.

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:47 pm

Both are good rifles. Tikka is probably higher end at this point. Savages use a barrel nut so with a couple tools you can swap barrels at home. Depending on caliber would depend on how soon the barrel needed replaced. 308 your looking at 5-7000rds give or take, 6.5 not too sure but those numbers are fairly universal from one barrel to the next no matter brand.


What model Tikka and what model Savage?
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:51 pm

Image crappy pic of my rem700 custom. Only part left rem is the action and even that has been worked on by my smith
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:54 pm

Tikka

https://grabagun.com/ber-t3x-tac-a1-6-5 ... -10rd.html

Savage

https://www.savagearms.com/firearms/cen ... -left-hand

Some folks have done plastic upgrades but all in all a quality rifle.

I do love my X-Bolt with a 26 incher. :lol:

Thought about another X-Bolt in 6.5 (less money) but just can’t justify twins in the gun safe. :roll:

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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:03 pm

runeight wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:37 pm
I agree with you. If our range ever extends to 1000 yards ( which is planned) then you bet, 6.5 Creedmore. Under 600 a 308 is just fine. Add to that I’m just getting started so several thousand dollars are yet to be spent. :lol:

I have also been looking at these Precision Rifles. Very few in LH but if I’m going to spend the money it will be left handed. Now, these fancy long range rifles are pricey. (As you know) I’ve narrowed it down to a Takkia ($1900) or go half the cost with the Savage. ($900) I have read where the Savage might need a new barrel after 4000 +/- rounds but he!!, don’t really know.
Just to be clear, the .308 is perfectly good for 1,000 yds. The 6.5 CM is just better. I don't think that there will be a huge difference in barrel life.

Practice is everything. The last match that I shot, a Palma team shooter smoked everyone with iron sights at 600 yds.

The new target rifles are getting great reviews. I'd probably go with the Savage (assuming that it has a great trigger) and spend the rest on match ammo.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by runeight » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:06 pm

1000 yards? You bet. Watched several vids on this. Would make it more of a challenge huh?

600 with iron. Wow. Bet he has a few rounds under his belt.
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Re: Long range shooting.

Post by ncjw » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:19 pm

runeight wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:54 pm
I do love my X-Bolt with a 26 incher. :lol:
You may also have a perfectly good 1,000 yd rifle already. I don't know what kind of scope you have there but borrowing a higher power scope from someone and trying it out might lead to spending the money on a scope. 20x on the high end would be a minimum, 25x would be better. (Yes, I know that the military used a 10x for decades, but they weren't shooting at MOA 10 ring targets, they were shooting at MOHuman.)

Worst case, a gunsmith rebarreling your .308 into a 6.5 CM (if you really need it) might also be cheaper.
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