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#45534
Obviously everyone here is already a gun owner. But has what's happening to Ukraine made you want to buy more guns or stock more ammo? I don't believe this country could ever be invaded like Ukraine as long as we continue to have a strong military, but I wonder if some people fear an invasion and have decided to up their game by adding guns and ammo to their collection. My only fear with the current state of the world, and it may be an unrealistic fear, is cyber warfare. If Russia gets pissed off enough and attacks the U.S. through cyber warfare, they could shut down power grids for weeks or months. It could cause people to do things they normally wouldn't do, where being able to defend yourself, loved ones and homes could potentially happen. Of course, there's a rare chance of anything like this occurring and it's low on my list of concerns.

To answer my own question, it has impacted me. I haven't bought any ammo for a couple years, and this last week I added a couple more cases of 9mm. But, I plan to get out this year and start enjoying the range more frequently, so I'll be burning up some ammo. Last year I didn't shoot nearly as often as I used to and plan to get out more.
#45539
As far as news coverage I don't believe a thing the MSN is puking out. With the surveillance of my banking I will probably stop buying bulk ammo . Cash only.

I am good to go for more than a year if the grid goes down. Plenty of propane for the stove. Lots of candles. Rice, beans, canned soups. Cases of water to start out with. Filtration stuff. Lots of soap, toothpaste. Some peroxide, isopropyl alcohol, anti-biotic ointments. Lots of wipes.
#45561
I am always interested when nuclear powers run by psychopathic idiots go to war. Neither Russia or Ukraine are angels, there is no good guy here, just the usual lesser of two evils. That being said, the more evil power who is doing the invading does make Ukraine look much better in comparison.

Out side of general interest though, it didn't affect me UNTIL Putin increased his nuclear alert level. This is serious and not to be taken lightly. I have no idea if he is bluffing or not but it doesn't matter. What makes it even worse is that we have our own idiots in charge here so it is not clear how this will play out. The chances of this going nuclear just went from zero to something greater than zero.

So what we know so far:

- The Russian army is a shell of what they were supposed to be. Yes, they are a nuclear power, but they are also a socialist kleptocracy (yes, I know that is redundant) with an economy smaller than Italy (which, if you have been there, is not a rich country). For comparison, Italy's GDP/capita is $30K, Russia is $10K. As a result, Russia's standing army is poorly equipped, poorly maintained, poorly fed and fueled, poorly commanded and comm'd, and from biased reports so FWIW, poorly motivated as they don't know why they are there (I include it because it sounds plausible).

- The age of tanks and helicopters may be over. NLAWs, Javelins and Stingers are so effective now, even in untrained hands, that the losses Russia is taking are very high. We should be building these like popcorn from now on.

- However, air superiority, artillery, sheer numbers and logistics are still a thing. All of the armchair generals talking about a squadron of A10's taking out a 70 mile long convoy are nuts. A10's need air cover to operate. They are near (but not totally) defenseless against MiGs. Putin has no problem leveling entire cities and killing thousands with artillery. Aerial bombardment is expensive and risky. Artillery is cheap and much safer (especially if the other side doesn't have counter artillery batteries). Russia can cheaply move as much manpower and resources across the border. This means that they will win as long as Putin can survive his army not killing him due to their own losses (I don't believe that there is a point where Putin thinks that Russian losses will be too high, he will never stop on his own).

- So what if Russia is losing so badly that Putin orders a tactical nuclear strike? Since there are no massed tactical battle formations in Ukraine, this would be a small city (or pray to God, not a larger city.) Just to send a message. What does the US do? (Technically, what should we do vs what will the current idiots do?) That will be an interesting day.

The conclusions are:

- Never believe a Clinton (especially with only a promise to have your back if you give up your nukes instead of an actual treaty).

- Never bribe the crackhead son and lying sack of s**t father with millions when they are taking millions from the other side as well and will abandon you in a heartbeat regardless. (This goes for the Clintons and Obamas as well.)

- As has been true since Plato: "Si vis pacem, para bellum"
#45571
Well, $4/gal and climbing gasoline definitely makes an impact. So that's due to short sighted policies of the current 'administration', but still...
#45574
Maybe $4 or $6/gal gas will wake some people as to what the Green New Deal truly is, or what a feckless, lost and corrupt leader (and group of leaders) we have in Washington.

Regarding the purchase of more guns or more ammo, I have plenty, but if TSHTF, I don't fool myself that I am John Wick or Jason Bourne. Will I really need more than a box or two before I am out of the game?
#45575
Badgerboy wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:05 pm Maybe $4 or $6/gal gas will wake some people as to what the Green New Deal truly is, or what a feckless, lost and corrupt leader (and group of leaders) we have in Washington.

Regarding the purchase of more guns or more ammo, I have plenty, but if TSHTF, I don't fool myself that I am John Wick or Jason Bourne. Will I really need more than a box or two before I am out of the game?
I look at it more as being able to enjoy a hobby than running around like John Wick. If a SHTF event truly occurred here in the U.S., I'd do everything I could to be the "gray man" and avoid people as much as possible. Anyway, I bought more ammo because there's a chance it won't be any cheaper than it is now, and I enjoy my weekend range trips. I already cut back significantly last year but am hoping to hit the range more this year. But, if ammo gets too pricey, it's a hobby I can do without.
#45595
Janik wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:22 pm I look at it more as being able to enjoy a hobby than running around like John Wick. If a SHTF event truly occurred here in the U.S., I'd do everything I could to be the "gray man" and avoid people as much as possible. Anyway, I bought more ammo because there's a chance it won't be any cheaper than it is now, and I enjoy my weekend range trips. I already cut back significantly last year but am hoping to hit the range more this year. But, if ammo gets too pricey, it's a hobby I can do without.
This ain't no hobby.

This is the ability to defend yourself and your family from harm.
If you see that as a hobby then God help you.
#45596
As above, I think that since almost everyone here is armed to some degree and reasonably proficient with their arms, we are discussing whether the cost of continued practice ammo to stay at 100% proficiency is required if SHTF vs being a rusty 80-90% (but still better than 80% of the population.)
#45606
cavelamb wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:54 am
Janik wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:22 pm I look at it more as being able to enjoy a hobby than running around like John Wick. If a SHTF event truly occurred here in the U.S., I'd do everything I could to be the "gray man" and avoid people as much as possible. Anyway, I bought more ammo because there's a chance it won't be any cheaper than it is now, and I enjoy my weekend range trips. I already cut back significantly last year but am hoping to hit the range more this year. But, if ammo gets too pricey, it's a hobby I can do without.
This ain't no hobby.

This is the ability to defend yourself and your family from harm.
If you see that as a hobby then God help you.
LOL, you have no idea what my abilities are, or how well I'm armed or trained. There's a big difference between shooting as a hobby and shooting to stay proficient. Hobby ammo and proficiency/self defense ammo are two separate categories.
#45710
Now we have a second theater, Iran firing on the US embassy in Erbil.

I guess that Iran spent those planeloads of billions of US cash that Obama and Joe sent to them and they are holding Joe up for more. The idiot (or his idiot puppetmasters) will probably pay them more billions.

If Iran is doing this as a Russian proxy though, things are going to get real interesting real fast. Hopefully, we still have enough binary, privileged, he/him fighters left in our woke armed forces to blow some s**t up.
#45793
The most likely threat we face in the near term is indeed cyber. You should be prepared to have the light turn off and not come back for a month or more, loss of access to bank accounts, etc. It may not happen, but the odds of it happening are the highest they have ever been right now. So get water, supplies, food, etc. It’s a pretty low cost way to be prepared. Make sure to keep your vehicles gas tanks full too. Don’t shy away from doing that because gas prices are high. If the power shuts off you won’t be able to get gas easily at any price.
#45796
FiveDigit wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:52 pm The most likely threat we face in the near term is indeed cyber. You should be prepared to have the light turn off and not come back for a month or more, loss of access to bank accounts, etc. It may not happen, but the odds of it happening are the highest they have ever been right now. So get water, supplies, food, etc. It’s a pretty low cost way to be prepared. Make sure to keep your vehicles gas tanks full too. Don’t shy away from doing that because gas prices are high. If the power shuts off you won’t be able to get gas easily at any price.
We are definitely prepared to some degree. I've always prepped for natural disasters, such as food, water and additional power sources such as solar. I never really feared a nuclear or cyber attack till recently. The rhetoric coming from Putin makes me think he's lost it mentally. Especially talking about a "cleansing". I also never really feared China hitting us with a cyber attack since they rely on American's to buy all their crap and support their economy. But anymore, in my mind anyway, those threats are more real than they ever have been.
#45797
FiveDigit wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:52 pm The most likely threat we face in the near term is indeed cyber. You should be prepared to have the light turn off and not come back for a month or more, loss of access to bank accounts, etc. It may not happen, but the odds of it happening are the highest they have ever been right now. So get water, supplies, food, etc. It’s a pretty low cost way to be prepared. Make sure to keep your vehicles gas tanks full too. Don’t shy away from doing that because gas prices are high. If the power shuts off you won’t be able to get gas easily at any price.
I'm tired of preaching to the know it alls, and the denial dummies at work. Refusing to stock up on food, ammo, and to train to protect their families. Several are lead around by their wives. Buying crap to keep them happy and going deeper into debt. My GF is going off and learning about prepping for the long haul. Can't understand why I have 250+lbs of dry dog food for my mutts. They are my first defenders/early warning system. They are outside most of the time. My smallest is 55lbs. She understands why I do what I do now.

Unless Canik comes out with a REAL SUBCOMPACT my Mete SFx is my last Canik. I get canned ready to eat Progresso soups with ring pull tops.

I met a recent retiree from Special Ops/Green Beret. He only keeps $1200-$1500 cash as if things got South it won't take long for people to figure out paper money is going to be worthless quick. With them trying to digitize money you won't even have that. Easily confiscated. I have zero gold, or silver.
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#45798
And this Ukrainian thing is a big lie. I have seen pics of a well known crisis actor from the USA on a blip from CBS. Holding a "baby" and crying.

Bomb "crater" in front of a hospital in the street. No blast damage to the building, BBQ grills set up there. I have a Ukrainian friend who is pro-Trump and is keeping up to date by listening to podcasts from regular folks from over there.

And yes, there is a butt load of real Nazi's in Ukraine. A large part of their military is Nazis.

I'm not sure what's what.
#45946
A very good podcast with Jack Carr and Peter Zeihan (1hr):

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/dir ... ce=w_share

Although it's a couple of weeks old, it goes into the classic demographics are destiny case for both both Russia and China and what Russia wants and why they need it to get it now.

No matters who "wins", at this point there may not be enough fertilizer or wheat to feed the world this year.

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