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#40897
The writing is on the wall nationally and in my home state of Washington - 10 round mags will be mandatory. So, this morning I bit the bullet and ordered 10 round mags for all my high capacity firearms. It especially pains me to hobble my SFX race gun in such a way. It will not be near as much fun in competition and drills at the range, and it will give the bad guys the upper hand (I'm pretty sure none of them are shopping for 10 round mags at this time).
So, I'm curious: Any of you run 10 round mags in your Caniks? Are they reliable and function smoothly? Any issues or complaints other than low capacity?

And, FYI - just a little background on what we're facing in Washington right now. Washington, in spite of it's long time left leaning, has historically been a pro-2nd Amendment state. However, we lean further left with each election and the electorate seems to have been even more emboldened by the recent national elections, social justice causes and climate causes. A bill is being introduced to limit all magazines to 10 rounds or less. There's also pending legislation for an increase of gas taxes by 19 cents per gallon (we had the 2nd highest gas tax and will be the highest soon). There's also pending legislation for an income tax even though our state constitution outlaws it and previous court cases have upheld the unconstitutionality of it. Seattle, which effectively runs this state, has already imposed high taxes on firearms and ammo and has run almost every gun shop out of business. They also have decimated the police department, and are 1) working toward eliminating bail requirements for criminals, 2) making drug and alcohol dependency a defense for all misdeanors, 3) eliminating jails, 4) making many crimes (even including assaults and home invasions) unprosecutable. Anarchists and militant BLM activists are almost treated like heroes by the mayor and city council. The drug addicts and criminals are flocking to the state, especially within the Seattle city limits. What a terrible place to live these days.
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#40900
Yes, but at least you have all of that sunny weather!

Hopefully, either the socialists will self destruct or we will somehow peacefully divide up with both coasts in one entity and the heartland in another.

I forget who said it, but "they know they are lying, you know that they are lying, they know that you know that they are lying, they just don't care".
#40902
colonel00 wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 1:09 pm Send all of your freedom magazines over here please. I will gladly guard them until you find a way into the free world. :D
Ha Ha :-J I'm hanging on to them for the time being and will be searching for a good hiding place in case the mag police pay a visit (which wouldn't surprise me with all the craziness around here). But I'll sure let you know if the burden is too big and they have to go.
#40912
ontarget wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:10 pm
colonel00 wrote: Thu Jan 28, 2021 2:50 pm I've heard that guns and magazines like to go fishing. Apparently they enjoy it and bring good luck. You should give it a shot.
Great idea! You sound like an "experienced" fisherman ;))
Yup. Lost a few during a recent ice fishing trip. It was tough stuffi...er...losing guns down that 8" hole in the ice but it happened none the less.
#40913
Sorry to hear it. I went ahead and bought a few 10 rounds mags as well. I'm not in a state that threatens our capacity, but we know the idiots in DC would like to restrict, if not outright ban guns. But I bought a few 10 round mags to slow me down at the range. Not sure if it'll really help, but I'm hoping using 10 round mags at the range will keep me from burning through so much ammo. Hopefully all this nonsense will pass and things will return to normal. But I doubt it.
#40929
As a fellow Washingtonian, I feel your pain. This state, and especially Seattle, is getting worse all of the time. What the mayor and police have allowed to happen in Seattle is a shame. I make a strong effort to avoid going there at all times. Lol, don't get me started on Inslee's tax plans. As for mags, I'll be stashing a few away.
#40932
Duvallite wrote: Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:39 pm As a fellow Washingtonian, I feel your pain. This state, and especially Seattle, is getting worse all of the time. What the mayor and police have allowed to happen in Seattle is a shame. I make a strong effort to avoid going there at all times. Lol, don't get me started on Inslee's tax plans. As for mags, I'll be stashing a few away.
Based on your username, I'm guessing you're in Duvall :-BD I lived near there (Cottage Lake) for many years. In an effort to get out of King County, we moved first moved to Chelan and then to Port Ludlow - far enough away yet still close to friends and family. Still can't get far enough from our governor unless we move out of state. We'll probably just hunker down here and hope the people of Washington eventually come to their senses.
Enjoy your Canik(s).
#41515
First we comply and switch to 10 round mags, then we comply and register our guns, then we comply and turn in our guns! WTF, at what point do we become real Americans and say, enough is enough, at what point do we stand up for our constitution and the 2nd amendment? We must stick together on this, it’s our only hope, Socialism must not succeed!
#41517
I too am transitioning to 10 round SFx magazines because of the pending doom from Wash DC. (I also empathize with your Seattle pain. We in Durham NC have watched justice go out the window in the police and court system. It's a national "cause" from radicals that will probably affect a lot of folks eventually. You're not in isolation with this.)

But I'm doing my magazine transition differently. I'm fashioning some weights that fill the magazine at the bottom to rebalance the gun and allow only 10 rounds of load. I'm using some S&W magazine springs and saving the original Canik springs in case I want to revert the setup. This way, although I lose round capacity of course, at least I gain "good weight" to improve balance and smooth recoil. Since I don't compete I don't really need the capacity (except maybe for severe home defense that I hope never happens).
#41530
Bruno911 wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:04 pm I too am transitioning to 10 round SFx magazines because of the pending doom from Wash DC. (I also empathize with your Seattle pain. We in Durham NC have watched justice go out the window in the police and court system. It's a national "cause" from radicals that will probably affect a lot of folks eventually. You're not in isolation with this.)

But I'm doing my magazine transition differently. I'm fashioning some weights that fill the magazine at the bottom to rebalance the gun and allow only 10 rounds of load. I'm using some S&W magazine springs and saving the original Canik springs in case I want to revert the setup. This way, although I lose round capacity of course, at least I gain "good weight" to improve balance and smooth recoil. Since I don't compete I don't really need the capacity (except maybe for severe home defense that I hope never happens).
I've had to do something similar with my Beretta 81 mags (12 rounds). I bought magblocks online. They won't provide the extra weight that your weights will provide, but they work well to reduce the capacity. They can be epoxied in place IF our gun hating legislature decides that the modifications need to be "permanent" (ugh!).
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#41550
The tricky part of the design is to get the block & spring lengths right (with the block in place), so as to create a capacity of 10 rounds and about the same feeding force as the stock springs. (The weight block looks like a parallelogram with angles that match the mag slant of course.) I built a "prototype" out of wood. I bought S&W springs ($6/spring) and cut them to length to create the best assembled match in force to the stock spring. I also shaped the cut end of the spring to form a loop like the stock spring because my weight block will have a little loop the spring will loop into - like the stock spring's end-plate. It's not perfectly scientific (I don't have a good way to measure the force of the stock spring verses my assembly), but so far the design works with snap-cap testing and feels about right by hand force measurement. It seems the S&W springs are quite stiff when new, and they seem to soften some after just a few days in compression, so I have to take that into account when sizing the spring. Having gotten the block size right with the modified S&W spring, my next step is to fashion a metal block and weigh it. I expect the resulting weight to be about 4.95oz according to a steel/brass weight calculator from onlinemetals.com. Brass weighs about 10% more, but I can readily make a steel weight from laminating cheap 1/8" strip steel into a sandwich that I'll glue together. I'll envelope the block with heat-shrink tubing to make it readily slide in/out, eliminate rattle potential, and not scratch the mag interior. If it needs to be "permanent" I'll have to figure that out later.
#41552
Bruno911 wrote: Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:59 am The tricky part of the design is to get the block & spring lengths right (with the block in place), so as to create a capacity of 10 rounds and about the same feeding force as the stock springs. (The weight block looks like a parallelogram with angles that match the mag slant of course.) I built a "prototype" out of wood. I bought S&W springs ($6/spring) and cut them to length to create the best assembled match in force to the stock spring. I also shaped the cut end of the spring to form a loop like the stock spring because my weight block will have a little loop the spring will loop into - like the stock spring's end-plate. It's not perfectly scientific (I don't have a good way to measure the force of the stock spring verses my assembly), but so far the design works with snap-cap testing and feels about right by hand force measurement. It seems the S&W springs are quite stiff when new, and they seem to soften some after just a few days in compression, so I have to take that into account when sizing the spring. Having gotten the block size right with the modified S&W spring, my next step is to fashion a metal block and weigh it. I expect the resulting weight to be about 4.95oz according to a steel/brass weight calculator from onlinemetals.com. Brass weighs about 10% more, but I can readily make a steel weight from laminating cheap 1/8" strip steel into a sandwich that I'll glue together. I'll envelope the block with heat-shrink tubing to make it readily slide in/out, eliminate rattle potential, and not scratch the mag interior. If it needs to be "permanent" I'll have to figure that out later.
You must have an engineering background, some manufacturing experience and a fair amount of patience :ymapplause: After you put the finishing touches on your creation, please share some pictures with us.
#41553
Indeed, I spent a 30-year career in engineering. When done I'll provide a full report here with details and pics so folks can try it for themselves. Truthfully, this is something someone like Taylor Freelance should pick up and do well because it's likely lots of folks will be converting to 10-round mags pretty soon and adding valuable weight makes sense in the process.
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