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9mm Carbine

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:58 pm

With RT showing off his CZ Scorpion its has gotten me back on wanting a 9mm carbine. Lets here some thoughts, pro and cons, and hell even see some pics. Help me out and lets get some info out there for others that may be interested.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Gemoose23 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:12 am

To play cheap and reliable... Ruger PCC.

To play cheap and have to fidget to make it work... PSA lowers work fine.

To just buy it and be reliable, CZ Scorpion, MPX, or something like JP or Leadstar PCC.

Personally I run a old Glock PSA lower and self built upper with different parts. But I wanted to tinker.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by John_ » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:10 am

A buddy of mine has one of these, got it for $440 delivered. Purchased directly from the manufacturer in AZ. Accepts glock mags. The fire control group is AR15 compatible, barrel threading is 1/2x28. Zeal has a LOT of firearms/experience and he is very pleased with his little Extar 9mm pistol (that could be shoulder fired). Slap a red dot on it and go to town. Looks like they are out of stock at the moment. Also supposed to make em in .45 acp and 10 mm eventually.

https://extarusa.com/index.htm
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Tejas Products » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:20 am

I own both the Ruger PC and the Hi-Point 9mm carbine's... Both are just as fun to shoot as you've heard... I've not had a single issue with either one of them so far and that is after about 300 - 400 rounds through each. Both feel great to shoot, both are very accurate (I've only shot out to 25 yards). Here is my list of Pro's and Con's for each.

HI-POINT
Pro's
1. Inexpensive
2. Built like a tank
3. Decent amount of new accessories for it. Compensators, a few stocks, charging handles.
4. Reliable... They have a very good reputation for reliability

Con's
1. Not easy to break down for cleaning
2. Proprietary mags. Max is 20 rounder

RUGER PC CARBINE
Pro's
1. Breaks down very easily for cleaning and transport
2. Takes both Glock and Ruger mags
3. Reliable. Reviews are good on this one as well

If you were to force me to pick one, I would probably go with the Ruger... Only because of the availability of hi capacity magazines and ease of cleaning. Other than that both would be a good pick in the lower price end of 9mm carbines.

In the picture below, you can see where I added optics to both... While you probably don't need them, my older eyes don't sight in very well anymore.
I also added a front hand grip to the Ruger whereas the Hi-Point comes standard with one.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by TL1000RSquid » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:13 pm

I like my Scorpion haven't had any issues with it. Other options are tempting if you have a large amount of Glock mag's, if not Scorpion mags are cheaper $18ish for cz 30 rounder vs $35ish for glock 33rd.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Tejas Products » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:35 pm

TL1000RSquid wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:13 pm
I like my Scorpion haven't had any issues with it. Other options are tempting if you have a large amount of Glock mag's, if not Scorpion mags are cheaper $18ish for cz 30 rounder vs $35ish for glock 33rd.
KCI 31 round Glock Mags are $12.99

I have 4 of them and they have so far performed 100%
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by keltex78 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:30 pm

No pics, but I have a Hi Point 995 with the TS stock installed aftermarket, and love it. I purchased it a few years back before they raised the prices, for about $180 new IIRC. Only problem was when I had a shell go kaboom out of battery, due to an out-of-spec gun show reload. Quick trip back and no problems since getting it back.

Load with cheap hollow points, makes a great varmint gun. Also, fun to shoot. Negligible recoil, and quiet, doesn't wake the neighbors when I have to shoot a critter in the night.

Added a 4x scope, after playing around with several red dot options, but I prefer the scope. I wish I could get the barrel threaded; I think this would be an awesome host for a suppressor...
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by TL1000RSquid » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:19 pm

Tejas Products wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:35 pm
TL1000RSquid wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:13 pm
I like my Scorpion haven't had any issues with it. Other options are tempting if you have a large amount of Glock mag's, if not Scorpion mags are cheaper $18ish for cz 30 rounder vs $35ish for glock 33rd.
KCI 31 round Glock Mags are $12.99

I have 4 of them and they have so far performed 100%
I've not has as good luck with KCI's, I have a few in 31, and 17rd good enough for range but I'd never trust them for anything else sporadic feeding issues, same with the glock pmag's, ETS mags have been real reliable for me.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Tejas Products » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:22 pm

And range is where I use them.... So I agree with you on that for sure... I wouldn't put them on anything that I would use for self defense....
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:16 pm

@TL1000RSquid is your scorpion the pistol or carbine?
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by PTMac2015 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:34 pm

Sub 2k looks nice, plus I hear it can run TP9 mags. Also thinking ahout a 9mm AR.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:38 pm

Im torn between a scorpion and an ar9 myself. I love the looks of the scorpion but could handle building an ar9 though too
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Re: 9mm Carbine

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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by TL1000RSquid » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:50 am

Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:16 pm
@TL1000RSquid is your scorpion the pistol or carbine?
I got the pistol, braced it and did SBR paperwork.. Kinda regret sbr'ing it now cause of the all choices of good quality braces. Weren't so many choices when I originally got it. I've also done trigger springs, duckbill mag release, right side saftey delete, aftermarket pistol grip. Next debate is if I want to do the 'K' style barrel and shorter handguard, or if I want to put a carbine length handguard on it and keep it suppressed heres and old pic before i got my stamp for it. Image
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Crosspower » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:14 am

Tejas Products wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:20 am
I own both the Ruger PC and the Hi-Point 9mm carbine's... Both are just as fun to shoot as you've heard... I've not had a single issue with either one of them so far and that is after about 300 - 400 rounds through each. Both feel great to shoot, both are very accurate (I've only shot out to 25 yards). Here is my list of Pro's and Con's for each.

HI-POINT
Pro's
1. Inexpensive
2. Built like a tank
3. Decent amount of new accessories for it. Compensators, a few stocks, charging handles.
4. Reliable... They have a very good reputation for reliability

Con's
1. Not easy to break down for cleaning
2. Proprietary mags. Max is 20 rounder

RUGER PC CARBINE
Pro's
1. Breaks down very easily for cleaning and transport
2. Takes both Glock and Ruger mags
3. Reliable. Reviews are good on this one as well

If you were to force me to pick one, I would probably go with the Ruger... Only because of the availability of hi capacity magazines and ease of cleaning. Other than that both would be a good pick in the lower price end of 9mm carbines.

In the picture below, you can see where I added optics to both... While you probably don't need them, my older eyes don't sight in very well anymore.
I also added a front hand grip to the Ruger whereas the Hi-Point comes standard with one.

That's good info. Hi Point carbines always remind me of the original Planet of the Apes. Sure look similar. In 9mm I'd take the Ruger. Big magazines easy to come by cheap. Hichok 45 did a video on the HiPoint 10mm and said he really liked it. 10mm carbine would make a solid hunting rifle in tight woods. And the Hi Points are available in .380, .40 and 45acp in addition to 9 and 10mm. About 20 something camo/color combos and factory scope and red dots make the HiPoint pretty attractive considering the low cost and lifetime warranty.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by ncjw » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:33 pm

Shot the 10mm Kriss Vector yesterday. Not sure if it counts as PCC (not sure what category it is, frankly). It really handled the recoil well for a 10mm, but it is pretty heavy, so that makes sense. Terrible trigger. Cool experience but would never buy it.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by LT USN (Ret.) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:52 pm

Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:58 pm
its has gotten me back on wanting a 9mm carbine
Fun gun or self-defense reliable? Makes a big difference. I also have the Hi-Point 995 and it's a blast to shoot. But, to defend the homeland, I will be making an AR9. Lot's o' parts, easy to work on, proven mags whether Colt or Glock and, very cost effective rounds.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:00 pm

LT USN (Ret.) wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:52 pm
Ghostwolf308 wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:58 pm
its has gotten me back on wanting a 9mm carbine
Fun gun or self-defense reliable? Makes a big difference. I also have the Hi-Point 995 and it's a blast to shoot. But, to defend the homeland, I will be making an AR9. Lot's o' parts, easy to work on, proven mags whether Colt or Glock and, very cost effective rounds.
for sure self-defense reliable. thats why I'm stuck between the AR9 and the CZ Scorpion

I really like this Scorpion

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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by LT USN (Ret.) » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:08 pm

In an AR9 one thing to look for is Last Round Bolt Hold Open (LRBHO). Like a semi auto pistol, when the last round is fired the slide locks back.

In a lot of AR9's or AR15's with mag adapters, it does not. When dropping in a fresh mag, do you want to grab the charging handle and stroke it?

It changes the price some (more for a LRBHO) but to me, well worth the price. Just something else to consider.
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Re: 9mm Carbine

Post by Ghostwolf308 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:03 pm

Id perfer last round bolt hold open in an ar platform
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